Headings are not being shown in the TURO tool after saving as a tagged PDF from Word
The document is being tagged, perhaps properly, but it is impossible to tell using the TURO tool when showing structure types. In the Tags pane, headings are shown as H1, H2, etc in the actual tags, but whether the TURO tool is on when the Order or Tags panel is active, these show up as text (P).
I've never seen this problem before and suspect it has to do with a recent update/release.
I have shared your concerns to the Engineering team. We don’t have immediate plan for this but we have kept this in their radar and you may see it fixed in future releases.
I don't know what additional data might be required.
To replicate, take any untagged PDF. Autotag it and then turn on the Reading Order (both in the Accessibility Tool). Then set the Reading Order tool to "Structure types." You'll see that items that are autotagged as H2, etc. in the Tags panel are being shown as Paragraph "P" tags via the Reading Order tool.
I've uploaded a screenshot, but this happens with almost any document. I just replicated it via a Word doc saved improperly (not set to tag), a generic downloaded Journal article PDF, and a scanned document. If you need an actual document, just let me know but it might be more useful to see how pervasive the problem is if you try it with any documents you might have handy.
Thanks for the reply.
Unfortunately, the problem is still occurring. I confirmed I have the most recent update and repeated it on the first try doing the following:
1) Open an untagged PDF
2) Using the Accessibility Tool, Autotag it
3) Turn on the Reading Order tool, set it to "Structure types" and try to visualize the headings in the document...Acrobat mis-represents them as paragraph text, although they show as actual headings in the tags panel/tagging structure. (See attachment if it comes through)
One can also run an accessibility check, then click on the heading failures...Acrobat typically guesses and makes the title an H3 or H4 (instead of an H1), but the reading order shows the content tagged as a P. If one manually selects that content and changes it to a heading level, the reading order tool DOES show the appropriate tag.
Regarding previous replies about the content panel: I see that it's presented as a Paragraph "Container Tag" in the Content Panel and below that it indicates the "Structure Tag" is a Heading Level 3...it would just be helpful if the Reading Order tool actually showed how the content is tagged when someone clicks the Structure types radio button. Autotagging creates tags, it just doesn't properly display the heading tags in the Reading Order tool.
This is a problem for people trying to remediate documents...they may waste a lot of time changing tags for content that may already be properly tagged. It's also confusing to see P for something that is really tagged as a heading.
Thanks for any progress you've made, and hopefully this will work as expected soon.
I see what you're talking about, but unfortunately this is a problem for people trying to support accessibility. It seems like a bug.
From what I'm reading, this essentially means there's no good way to see the tag structure using the display generated for “Structure types” with the TURO tool when a document is saved as a tagged pdf, if using the autotag function in Acrobat, etc.
When set to show "Structure types" in TURO, a heading tag will show as "P" even though it may be an H1, H2, etc. as seen in the Tags tab (and the Content tab shows Container <P>) - this necessitates using TURO to re-tag EVERY SINGLE item that should already be tagged as a heading in order to update the Container. If not using TURO, one would have to go into the Content tab and manually change each Container <P> to a specific heading level by right clicking, choosing properties, and then making the container tag match the structure tag. If you do either of these, the “Structure types” display THEN shows a H2 instead of P, but this seems like a needless amount of effort (a LOT of effort) when that behavior is what one would expect when saving as a tagged PDF in the first place. However, if the TURO display matched the tags tab (and the tags updated the content containers upon saving as a tagged PDF, autotagging, etc.) you would easily be able to see the content structure without looking tag by tag in the tags tab/panel.
So, if I'm understanding correctly, the TURO 'structure' display is showing the underlying Content tab structure, but not the structure of the Tags tab. Does this mean that even though the tags are carried over when a document is saved properly, the underlying Content structure doesn't respect the tag structure? Does saving as a tagged PDF have no meaning? Am I missing something here?
AdminLovekesh garg (Admin, Adobe) commented
There are 2 properties in tag property dialog of tags
1. ‘Type’ attribute in ‘Tag’ tab and
2. ‘Container’ attribute in ‘Content’ tab
Mismatch you seeing is because values in these attributes are different.
If we change the value of 2, it will not update the value of 1. So you are seeing this mismatch.
Please correct these values in the PDF.
Okay, I've uploaded some very generic testing documents just to show what's happening (Word doc and the PDF output). Here's the link: https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/055c571a-4753-4f37-af26-0ba482acd517
I"m using Acrobat Pro DC Ver 2018.009.20050 and Word from an Office 2016 subscription. Note however, that I also tested this with an old version of Acrobat XI and the TURO tool behaves the same.
It really would be helpful if, either now if it can be fixed or in a future release, TURO showed the proper structure when the "Structure types" radio button is activated - that's exactly what one would expect when choosing that option.
Thanks for any help you can provide.
AdminLovekesh garg (Admin, Adobe) commented
You can use https://cloud.acrobat.com/send to share the file.
Also please share the OS details and Acrobat version to see where this issue is.
Sure, I just need a place to share it - I don't see any way to attach a file here. Can you shoot me some info about how/where I can share it (email address, link to upload, etc.)?
That said - it occurs with all content when saving a Word document as a PDF (when using the "Document structure tags for accessibility" check box selected, as one should). Activating TURO shows various heading level items as P when they are really headings (as can be seen in the tags pane) and what I'd expect to see as TH and TD in tables appears as P everywhere as well (in the tags panel I see a properly nested structure as expected). This will cause people who may be inexperienced with accessibility remediation to waste time tagging items that are already tagged.
AdminVivek Chandra (Admin, Adobe) commented
Can you please share the file(s) with us where you see this problem. This would help us investigate faster.